Comments for Small Boats Magazine https://smallboatsmonthly.com/ Thu, 06 Mar 2025 14:12:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 Comment on Herreshoff/Gardner 17 by Jenny Bennett https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/herreshoff-gardner-17/#comment-159287 Thu, 06 Mar 2025 14:12:08 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243655#comment-159287 In reply to Steve Najjar.

Hi Steve, I’d be happy to help you upload a photo if you’d like to do that. Just let me know.

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Comment on Of Oarlocks and Lanyards by Ben Fuller https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/oarlocks-and-lanyards/#comment-159088 Wed, 05 Mar 2025 14:19:57 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243661#comment-159088 I’ve seen the weight and lanyard system, and it works. I’ve never done it as I pull my oarlocks out of the boat when trailering to keep them from dinging up things as I haven’t made roadworthy carriers. And I generally just have one set of locks aboard rowing solo. But it does work well.

One thing a friend showed me is the use of locks in trailering. For many boats you will find that there will be a set of oarlock sockets just aft of your after tie down. If you insert oarlocks there and run the tie down through them it helps with fore and aft positioning and aids in dealing with chafe.

Variants on the lanyard and round lock system apparently were common in the livery era where the lanyards kept the oars on their leathers, kept the oars aboard, and kept the locks with the oars. Sometimes the lanyard was tied or spliced tightly around the loom down near the blade.

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Comment on Herreshoff/Gardner 17 by Ben Fuller https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/herreshoff-gardner-17/#comment-159086 Wed, 05 Mar 2025 14:08:03 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243655#comment-159086 Some comments as John worked up and built The GREEN MACHINE during my watch at Mystic. The project was in the winter of 1980, with the completion that summer. The boat in the photo is not the original which has been retired; it is one built carefully by the late Myron Young and donated for use.

There was material experimentation. The boat is built using high grade exterior waterproof construction plywood, not marine plywood, and over the years there has been some checking. Most people don’t realize this as John used a piece of cedar for the sheerstrake so you don’t see the ply end grain. It was built before glued lap became a thing and might be able to be made a bit lighter as the fastenings were kind of belt and braces, glued laps and clench nails. There was no real effort made to make it as light as possible.

The GREEN MACHINE was set up to row in one direction as a single, the other as a double so the seat for single rowing could be folded to get it out of the way as you couldn’t get your feet under it when rowing double or carrying a passenger. The third seat for single rowing was put amidships and you pulled from the bow oarlocks.

Boats with these skeg-like stems are extremely sensitive to trim, griping badly if even lightly bow down. Many builders decide the boat is going to be rowed only in one direction and relive the bow stem, and trim the boat accordingly as she is a little bow high when rowed as a single from the stern seat or needs weight in the stern rowed as a single from the bow seat. Some shift the aft seat forward a frame which then means that some stern weight is needed if rowed as a double. Some have added a shallow skeg in the stern.

The boat’s development is interwoven with the Adirondack Guideboat, where one of the problems to solve was how to make artificial natural crook frames. John solved this with glued laminations. His long article details this but because of the double ended shape there were only three shapes needed from which several pairs of frames could be resawn.

Borrowed also from western Adirondack guideboats was the slight rake in the stems, making planking easier than using a plumb stem and the dramatic flare in the topsides. Both are of considerable help in keeping water out of the boat when pulling into a head sea.

John was a bit conservative in oar lengths. The recommended 7’6″ oars work in both rowing positions but the forward position with 48″ between locks can take 8′ oars. Andy Steever in his “Oars for Pleasure Rowing” (available on the Internet Archive) details the oars designed for the boat. They have teflon leathers and are squared inboard of the locks. They have been counterweighted with lead strips, to balance with the weight of your hand. The longer ones took three times the amount of lead.

I became the tester for the boat, taking it out into Fisher Island Sound where there were predictable whitecaps over a bar out from Ram Island. I got her surfing pretty good but the flare kept the bow up surfing. That summer I took her to the Blackburn and won my class. That set off a building spree of race optimized boats.

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Comment on Building a Goat Island Skiff by Gerald Trumpp https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/building-a-goat-island-skiff/#comment-158921 Tue, 04 Mar 2025 19:14:07 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243700#comment-158921 In reply to Viktor Steimle.

Viktor, you are always welcome for another test on the little lake in the wild southwest of Germany 🙂

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Comment on Herreshoff/Gardner 17 by John Ernst https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/herreshoff-gardner-17/#comment-158897 Tue, 04 Mar 2025 16:54:40 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243655#comment-158897 I had one of these for about 20 years. Built by Steve Najjar in Redwood City, CA and named Sophisticated Lady. Weighed about 95 pounds. Had a trolley type sliding seat and fixed seat. Went well with either. I mounted a pair of folding outrigger oarlocks I had lying around and used 8′ Shaw and Tenney spoons. It went beautifully in all but crazy weather. I launched off the shore into Lake Ontario. When I hit 85 launching and retrieving got too difficult and I regretfully sold her. Bought an Annapolis Wherry for the weight. Now building an Oughtred Macgregor kit because even lighter.

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Comment on Herreshoff/Gardner 17 by John Murray https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/herreshoff-gardner-17/#comment-158785 Tue, 04 Mar 2025 03:34:11 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243655#comment-158785 Thank you very much for your article. I have found over the years that the sides of the boat are only needed to keep the water out and can be made in your case, I suspect, with 1/8″ ply. I have made one boat out of carbon fiber and got the weight down to 50 lbs. The only advantage is that it is easier to cartop. Now use one less layer of fibreglass on the sides and though it might feel vulnerable it is quite adequate. A friend in Tasmania makes his from tortured ply.
Fiberglass with wooden gunwales, backrests, and foot stretcher is 66lbs. This means I only have to lift 33lbs onto the roofrack then go to the other end lift and push it on.

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Comment on Herreshoff/Gardner 17 by Wayne Grabow https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/herreshoff-gardner-17/#comment-158762 Tue, 04 Mar 2025 00:36:16 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243655#comment-158762 “the Herreshoff/Gardner can be a bit squirrely”
I wonder if that may be due to the amount of rocker (2 3/4 inches) used. I have built several similar boats (my own design) with 1 to 1.5 inches of rocker which track well but, of course, may turn less readily. It depends on what you are seeking.

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Comment on Building a Goat Island Skiff by Viktor Steimle https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/building-a-goat-island-skiff/#comment-158761 Tue, 04 Mar 2025 00:22:49 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243700#comment-158761 Having seen the Gaissl in the flesh I can attest to her very high standards of woodworking and the finish! Unfortunately there was not a lot of wind during the sail, so we did not get her to show off her speed. I hope that that can be done some other time.
Congratulations Gerald and Petra,
VIktor (brother of the Mirror sailor)

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Comment on Of Oarlocks and Lanyards by Rick Thompson https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/oarlocks-and-lanyards/#comment-158758 Tue, 04 Mar 2025 00:11:16 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243661#comment-158758 Thanks Ben, interesting to see different priorities. My oars are in captive oval locks, which are themselves captive in the useable length of rope-wrap “leathers”. I do not have to worry about them becoming separated. After once losing an oar overboard at a critical time, due to snagging on weed, each oar has a lanyard with a snap. The snap clips onto lines run the length of the cockpit (for clipping things on). The boat has 3 sets of sockets plus extended standing sockets, and I can grab an oar loom with its lock one handed to move between them. When not in use and for transport, mounted big rubber pole clips hold the oars with the captive locks away from where they can do any damage.

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Comment on Of Oarlocks and Lanyards by Sasha Hafner https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/oarlocks-and-lanyards/#comment-158750 Mon, 03 Mar 2025 23:24:51 +0000 https://smallboatsmonthly.com/?post_type=article&p=243661#comment-158750 This is an interesting article, thank you for it Ben! I have also struggled with a chain and toggle on horned oarlocks and still didn’t have peace of mind because a link pulled apart at least once (could have been some unreasonable force on it; I don’t remember). I like your idea for modification of the round locks and might try it. But I don’t much mind damage to my oars (they are made from 2x lumber and 1/4″ plywood so far) and like keeping everything together. So I now use a system inspired by a suggestion in R.D Culler’s book “Boats, Oars, and Rowing”. I use round locks (not cut) with a leather but no button. Instead a narrow line runs from the inner edge of the leather to the top of the blade, secured with rolling hitches. That lets me pull the oars in but prevents them from ever sliding out too far. I’ll add some pictures. (You can see I am not a very serious amateur boatbuilder, with this eye-balled cheap oar design and the different colors from trying to use up old paint.)

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